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He can do one.
yep. whatever he does at united is irrelevant to the mistakes our board have made.
i wish him nothing at all.
better watch out for United swooping in for Hector at Reading though..................
We can talk about whether he's still the same manager as he was in 2004 and all that, but ultimately only one man is to blame for this situation - Roman.
I hope Conte is worth it, that's all.
Conte is a good manager, but it won't mean anything. apart from Jose and Carlo, have any of his managers lasted a year?
I make you right, just those two.
It's fking pathetic to be honest, at what point does he realise that these blokes come from clubs where they've won things, get sacked by him, leave to win things elsewhere.
Time to look inwardly Roman and surround yourself by better people.
Given that he's had over ten years to realise that, I doubt it's about to happen.
yep.
just to be clear, i have no problem with roman demanding the best. however, demand it from your advisors as well. if you want trophies and decent football then pick a good manager, BACK HIM and give him a little bit of time.
Exactly. It's always pissed me off that he can be ruthless with his managers and players, yet gives some of his other (very well paid) staff the benefit of the doubt.
As an example, how did Buck keep his job after failing to secure the CPO vote?
Never mind all of the people involved at more senior levels with the footballing side.
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I hope it all ends in tears there after massive failure but as I said on the day he was sacked, if you asked me who I think is more likely to win a PL or CL first out of us or Jose, I'd be putting my money on him...
If it had been straightaway I would have smelt a rat but its too far gone for it all to have been pre-planned so he gets a pass from me. Jose got a few things wrong but the players have been poor and a few have been man enough to admit as much.
We've sacked the guy twice now so he's entitled to go to United and rub Roman's nose in it. Rather there than Spurs, Arsenal or Liverpool.
I think Jose has always known United was goer even when coming back to Chelsea. I'm certain his relationship with SAF had plenty of chat going on behind the scenes in private. Since Jose lost his job he's known he was on his way to United imho. All a bit snidey since he left us.
Jose is now at a rival club and has to be classed as the enemy. He would love to get one over on us, I would like us to throw a spanner in his works too.
No time for sentimental football shite, fcuk off Mourinho.
No time for backstabbing, workshy cnuts that have mugged us off all season either B. Yet amazingly, they're still here.
It's an opinion I don't share with you so the players are free (in the most part) of my wrath, Pete Yes they were certainly sub standard but they were terribly led, imo.
I blame Roman for the bigger picture and I blame Jose for his lack of ability to get the best out of a squad that had just won the title. Not really interested in speculation that he never got the players he wanted during the summer, he still had the champions fighting to stay out of the bottom three. For my money, Jose's bully boy tactics are out of date with the current generation of pampered young players. He needs to adjust or he'll have the same result at OT...which I hope he does ![[wink]](../images/smilies/wink.gif)
Also let's see what he doea with the younger players LVG picked.
They do like youth coming through up there. With that said, the pressure to win trophies isn't as high as at Chelsea.
Ferguson is the best manager in my lifetime and he knew to improve upon a position of strength, if the club doesn't back a Title-winning boss then that is the club's failing. Could Jose have done better this season? Of course. But should he be blamed and players let off for their own failings? No chance.
You can't blame Jose for those poor, tired little darlings only winning one home game under the next manager, for one!
I saw him play Brana every game, K. That was plenty enough for me. I don't think I've ever seen a player played through such bad form 
So many lost points and we never caught up or looked likely to. He trusted in one of his warriors far too long and I believe he paid the price for it with his job in the end. I'm not anti Brana, he needed a break and had to wait for injury to get a breather. I saw the young Jose haul players off at HT in games through bad form and now I'm watching him do that to Brana!!! Nah, not for me. Brana, one of our most consistent and dedicated players now looks a shadow of his former self. We talk of players not trying but what about players that were absolutely shite!!! A huge weakness was Brana and he was exploited game after game without it being managed. Just my end of season opinion on how things went over 38 games.
The players will have their reasons, Jose will have his, Roman will have his version of events too but I'm on the outside and saw Jose fight with club doctors, fight with the media, sting the fans and generally look to upset anyone and everyone...I never enjoyed a single minute of Jose this season, he'd lost me by December. I was hurt because he'd failed. I will be hurt should Conte fail too.
I told you I can't get over the Brana situation
As I've said, I'm not claiming he hasn't made mistakes and I'd have given Brana a break but then Jose knows these players more than we do and clearly he thought playing him through that bad spell was the best course to take. TBF he came back and looked a lot better after his injury and the next manager kept playing him (and Guus had more games in charge this season than Jose did).
The point I'm trying to make here is that letting the players off by saying Jose failed doesn't make sense. We had a 36% win percentage under Mourinho and a 37% win percentage under Hiddink. So who is to blame for the shit we still saw in the second half of the season, if not the players? All the off-pitch stuff is a sideshow, personally I love all that kind of thing and I missed it between 07-13 (though it's not as easy to revel in when you're not winning, I accept that). If Jose were allowed his own staff in the first place, the whole Eva thing wouldn't have even happened. And we're already seeing the same thing with Conte before the bloke's even arrived, which is going to come back to bite Roman (and therefore, us) in the arse when it all blows up, which it will because he is a similar character.
I can see the defence for Jose, I really can. Roman is the biggest problem of all.
I can see Conte coming in with half his team. On that matter - do we slate Chelsea for not sacking loyal members of staff (Eddie Newton for one) or commend them? I'm a bit split here because the club seem to be looking after some of ours by turning down a full team arriving. It's a tough one for me because I actually like the club to show some loyalty to certain people that deserve to be at SB.
Eddie Newton was an assistant to a CL winning manager who was then sent back to work with the kids before getting another promotion (albeit to a level well below his previous post), I'm sure his time will come when Roman decides he's disposable again.
Ray Wilkins deserved to be there and they sacked him without even telling our Double-winning manager.
There's no such as thing as loyalty where Roman is concerned, he'll give the illusion of it but has proven time and again that it's only a matter of time before the knife gets stuck in. He picks and chooses when someone is useful to him and clearly he has his favourites like Lollichon and Emenalo but I'm sure their time will also come, one day. Unfortunately though it seems to be the ones who deserve to stay the most who he disposes of first and the cnuts like Buck who outstay their welcome!
Again, I agree with much you say.
The rules of the club are there for all to see.
You will be allowed a minimal team to arrive with you.
You will win games and keep us right at the top of football. Failure to do so will result in dismissal, whoever you are.
You will do the above with the squad of players given to you...we may help you here, we may not.
So we bring in a manager who said in his time at Juve that he couldn't take them to the next level because, in his words, "You cannot go to eat at a €100 restaurant with just €10 euro in your pocket, can you?" Lunacy.
He took up the challenge...for the money or the challenge I ask myself. Tbf, getting Chelsea to the next level isn't the toughest ask
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No sentiment from me B, I'm no Jose lover but preferred him over most basically as he's one of the few managers who actually makes a difference and can improve teams. I was one of the first to say it would have been fishy if all in place by Christmas last year but I'm pretty sure, as Famous has said, if they had made the CL, LVG would still be there and Mourinho would be elsewhere in Europe.
I'm a bit partial to a conspiracy theory myself, but not this one.
No I don't think there was anything beyond Chelsea sacking him and then followed the usual Jose interest from United. Whatever has happened happened after we parted company. That said, I bet SAF and Jose have been in touch - even when Jose was at SB. If I'm honest, Jose to United has taken much longer than I thought it would after SAF resigned.
It's not about sentiment for me, if I thought we were better off without him then the past would make no difference, it's the fact he is still one of the best managers in the world and we sacked him (again!) and let him wander off to a potential rival, that makes this a bit of a nightmare.
one positive, the media circus will follow Jose & hang on his every word, hopefully alllowing Conte to crack on under the radar.
I was going to post exactly that earlier, Roger
Pep v Jose is a tasty prospect and that will be a league table all of it's own. Let them fight and we sneak in there.
I forgot about Pep.
sky/papers won't be interested in little old Chelsea next season... perfect
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