P302Rivals Football - Chelsea FC
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by Cfcsort, 24/05, 13:01

Cancelled

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 13:08 @ Cfcsort

Right decision sadly.Easy target.Hopefully the club will do something in the stadium that can be better polices during the school summer holidays.

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 13:16 @ MHLPisshead

nah, can't allow the odd nutter to completely constrict our lives

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by shed69, 24/05, 13:17 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 13:21 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

I'd normally be of that mind but in current situation I'd imagine it would be extremely difficult and expensive to police as well as draining resources that would be better employed elsewhere.

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 13:27 @ MHLPisshead

if someone wants to walk into a crowd with an explosive jacket they have plenty of opportunities to do so, sticking a few old bill out and about won't stop them

where do we draw the line on cancelling things?

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 13:33 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

My subscription to Parade?

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 13:37 @ MHLPisshead

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 14:12 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

[xx]

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 14:36 @ MHLPisshead

yeah yeah, you weren't saying that when you found one in a hedge in your teens and took it home for 5 minutes of teaching the cyclops the lambada

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by cfcww, 24/05, 14:56 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

5 minutes in your teens with a jazz mag in your hand?? You' sure you are not showing off?

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 14:58 @ cfcww

:-D

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 15:04 @ cfcww

old boarding school trick [wink]

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 15:06 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

You lot love a Digestive don't you?

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 15:09 @ MHLPisshead

not for me old boy, but there was a ready supply of Europes finest filth available, carefully passed down from year to year

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 15:17 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

'Euro Boy' was quite popular I'd imagine?

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by Famous, 24/05, 15:18 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

I hope there was a lot of hand washing, both before and after [xx]

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 15:21 @ Famous

"Put the blindfold on Briggsy and find the soap dispenser"

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by Famous, 24/05, 16:26 @ MHLPisshead

:-D

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 16:50 @ MHLPisshead

The things you compo kids used to fantasise about, I'm blushing

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by cfcww, 24/05, 15:53 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

I'd have had use boxing gloves to last five minutes!

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 16:10 @ cfcww

Kinky. Might have to give that a go.

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by MHLPisshead, 24/05, 15:00 @ The_Drogs_Bollox

These modern kids will never know the joys of finding a jazz mag(with it's pages superglued together)in a hedge or your mates dads shed.

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by The_Drogs_Bollox, 24/05, 15:05 @ MHLPisshead

best sex I've had

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by Famous, 24/05, 14:30 @ MHLPisshead

:-D

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 18:35 @ MHLPisshead

4 bedroom houses for the families of terrorists?
Unemployment benefits for immigrants illiterate in their own language, never mind English?
Triffic

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 18:33 @ MHLPisshead

might as well hoist the white flag while you're at it

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by cfcww, 24/05, 13:50 @ Cfcsort

At least the terrorists aren't winning though!

oh hang on ...........[head]

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 18:32 @ cfcww

exactly. Calls for more armed police, soldiers on the streets heightened security....... all from the same virtue signalling twats who declare we should all just carry on and they won't change our way of life!

Too late for all that.

If the government won't protect the citizens of our country people will start taking care of it themselves.

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by Famous, 24/05, 19:15 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

Like Thomas Mair thought he was doing?

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 19:19 @ Famous

Yes, that maybe what happens if people continue to be ignored.

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by Famous, 24/05, 19:20 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

They want a war, I don't see why we should give it to them. We should be more civilised than them and their outdated, barbaric beliefs.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 19:22 @ Famous

They want a war and we're standing by as they kill our children.

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by Famous, 24/05, 19:24 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

But how could Monday have been stopped from happening?

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 19:44 @ Famous

Who can stop anything from ever happening?

That's surrender by a different name.

We have to tackle the problems we've created for ourselves. We need more cultural confidence and stop bowing down to everyone else's demands all the time.

There are 4 things you could look at right now.

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by Famous, 24/05, 19:54 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

But there is no actual physical way that anybody could have stopped what happened.
Policies could be introduced which may or not help reduce the number of people who get radicalised but for me, playing into the hands of these people is not the answer.
I don't think being realistic about the fact that every now and then, some random lunatic fckwit will decide to go and murder a load of innocent people, is surrendering.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 20:03 @ Famous

Random lunatic? He was known to be associated with isis and was allowed to travel to Syria and then return!

You want to do nothing, I want to make changes. People are dying, let's make an effort.

Could you clarify exactly how often "every now and then" is, and what do we do when we exceed murders "every now and then"? Change the definition no doubt!

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by Famous, 24/05, 20:11 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

I don't want to do nothing. I'm saying that if there was an easy solution to stopping terrorism, then I haven't yet heard it.

Obviously even just one terrorist attack and death is too many, but a significantly higher number of Brits have died abroad thanks to foreign policies apparently designed to combat terror, than have died in attacks carried out here. War and vengeance only leads to more unnecessary deaths.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 21:42 @ Famous

Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.


You want to do nothing, I want to make changes. People are dying, let's make an effort.

Could you clarify exactly how often "every now and then" is, and what do we do when we exceed murders "every now and then"?

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by Famous, 24/05, 21:59 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

I don't want to do nothing, I just want to know what changes are going to be made that are going to stop terrorism.
For example, according to David Cameron, the attacks in Syria in 2015 were meant to "keep our country safe". That worked well.

I believe 83 people have died in Islamic terrorist attacks in this country, this century. How many have died in car crashes in that time? Or died due to rising pollution levels? But there's no calls for all cars to be banned. Steps can be made to make travelling in cars safer, but it never eradicates the fact people will keep dying in car crashes. So I think you're missing my point - what do we do?
We could deport a million people for various reasons and still leave those one or two who will then go on to carry these attacks out, and breed even more to have even further motive to want to attack.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 22:27 @ Famous

If cars were deliberately killing people of their own accord would you just ignore it or would you try to stop it happening?

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by Famous, 24/05, 22:38 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

We keep going back to the same point really - I still have no answer as to what specifically could have been done to prevent Monday's attack from happening, because the reality is that there isn't one.
You can't just stop an ideology like this and you can't prevent individuals from deciding to carry out horrific murders. There is no easy solution, as much as the right would constantly have us believe it would be easy to sort out. I'm not saying more can't be done though, there's a difference.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 22:48 @ Famous

So you agree that what we're doing now isn't enough and we need to do more?

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by Famous, 24/05, 22:58 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

I think more can always be done, for example the PM who has a history of slashing funding to the emergency services who are struggling to keep us safe could be voted out in a couple of weeks.

I just don't see it in as black and white terms as those who say "'x' will stop this", "enough is enough" etc. as I don't really know what they mean.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 23:03 @ Famous

Fewer platitudes
More action
Tougher approach

The conservatives are weak, labour are a disgrace top to bottom.

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by Famous, 24/05, 23:08 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

More action and tougher approach are platitudes, if not backed up by viable policies.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 23:28 @ Famous

I've given you tangible suggestions. You keep ignoring them.

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by Famous, 24/05, 23:39 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

I agree with trying to do more about tackling radicalisation in the areas it seems to start from

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by NORTHLONDONCHELSEA, 24/05, 19:58 @ Famous

Stop refugees and asylum seekers coming here breeding producing home grown terrorists the liberal dim wit Tim Farrron we should take another 50 thousand Syrians Cunt.

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by Famous, 24/05, 20:01 @ NORTHLONDONCHELSEA

So you think that if someone waved a magic wand and it meant that not one refugee or asylum seeker legally entered this country from today onwards, that would solve the problem of Islamic terrorism?

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 20:06 @ Famous

you don't need a magic wand.

It would help in the long run.

Short term we need to sort out schools, mosques and prisons, which is where radicalisation happens.

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by Famous, 24/05, 20:15 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

Perhaps if we stopped getting involved in conflicts that have little if anything to do with us, there wouldn't so much destabilisation in these countries that end up with us having to take so many asylum seekers.
I agree that short-term focus on places from where radicalisations grow needs to happen, the question is, how? How do we know what the most effective way to do that is? I think it'd be naive to think that wouldn't just push the problem even more underground.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 21:40 @ Famous

I'm aware you think that the west is at fault, the radical left all do, but it doesn't explain Islamic terrorism in every other corner of planet. Sweden's foreign policy must be to blame for the gang rape and murder epidemic they have I suppose.

You need to make your mind up, a refugee is not the same as an asylum seeker. Which are they? Obviously for you they're all welcome in infinite number, but at least clarify what supposed reason we're bringing 25 year old men posing as school children into the country.

Let me also clarify, your suggestion is that nothing needs to be done. Is that right or have I misunderstood you?

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by Famous, 24/05, 22:07 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

I believe the West is at fault? Do I? Where did I say that?
I've already said, there are countless, complex reasons as to how we've got to this stage, going back before Western civilisation as we know it even existed.
You put the blame for it on Labour it, a Western government!

I don't speak for the Left as a whole, radical or otherwise, I have my own opinion and I'm sure plenty of people who count themselves as radical liberals are also staunch atheists who hate Islam as much as anyone on the Right.

NorthLondonChelsea lumped refugees and asylum seekers together, not me. Again, it is too complex a situation to simply shut our borders to everyone. Kids are dying fleeing war-torn countries, from conflicts we've made worse under the illusion that we're "'making our country safe". Surely the ideal scenario means no kids are dying, whether from here or abroad?

Even if we banned all legal immigration to this country tomorrow, it wouldn't solve the problem of Muslim extremism, that was my point.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 22:20 @ Famous

Yes you do. You think it's our intervention causing the issue.

I don't put the blame for radical Islam on the labour government, I agree with you that this is thousands of years old. I blame the labour government for opening our doors to unrestricted, unrealistic and unmanageable levels of immigration which has subject the people of this country to all manner of ills. How many Islamic terror attacks happened in the U.K. before 97?

It's not about hating Islam, it's about limiting its power. Not going to happen while people are worried about upsetting terrorists and their supporters.

The mistake the left make is to think utopia is achievable. It isn't. There are deaths if we get involved, there are deaths if we don't. My view is leave them to it, but be under no illusions, the same people blaming our involvement now would be demanding our action if we did nothing. We'd be blamed for standing by doing nothing.

It wouldn't stop the problem NOW, but it would stop it getting worse. It's also in line with the view of the majority of the people of Europe.

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by Famous, 24/05, 22:30 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

No I don't.
I'm simply saying that intervening or helping to create conflicts abroad has not helped. We're still having terrorist attacks and victims. We've lost nearly 700 servicemen and women.
Cameron told us attacking Syria would made us safer, and it hasn't.
Me saying something hasn't helped, isn't the same as attributing absolute blame on it and it only.
It seems to me that the right are the ones expecting or hoping for a utopia, in thinking there's simple ways of stopping this. I've been shot down for suggesting that terrorism is inevitable. I still keep going back to my original point, what exactly is going to stop this?

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 22:47 @ Famous

I've listed things that could be done right now to help. There's no magic bullet. You want to do nothing because it's too difficult as far as I can make out.

The right don't want utopia, that's the domain of the left, always has been always will be. I want this off our shores. What they want to do to each other in the Middle East is their issue.

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by Famous, 24/05, 22:52 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

I don't want to do nothing, I'm just keen to get opinions of what can be done to help as often, the 'solutions' I hear provided by people are often exactly what experts suggest are the last things that should be done in such scenarios.
I want it off our shores too but I'm not naive to believe there's a simple way to make it happen and to avoid tragedies like Monday. I think one way to help keep Middle-East issues over there, is to stay out of Middle-East politics, but it seems you disagree and unfortunately, so do the majority of our MPs, across all sides.

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 23:00 @ Famous

I've no idea what suggestions you've heard, but at least I've presented some and not hidden behind it's too difficult. The experts have got us here, maybe we need new experts.

I'm happy to stay out of Middle East politics, I've said as much. Clearly.

I'd also withdraw all foreign aid.

And stop the EU from taxiing migrants from the coast of Africa into Europe.

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by Famous, 24/05, 23:04 @ orseshit_n_amburgers

So you agree that the MPs voting for the Syrian attacks wasn't a good idea in keeping the country safe, as the then PM put it? We agree there then.

I think the days of us being able to affect what the EU do, are gone now

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by orseshit_n_amburgers, 24/05, 23:33 @ Famous

the EU is the continuation of Germany. Let's see how they approach the Poles over their rejection of the moronic decision to bring in millions of immigrants and the terrorism associated with it.

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by NORTHLONDONCHELSEA, 24/05, 20:16 @ Famous

It would make it hard over here tube bombers kids of immigrants the other lot who failed sons of Somali immigrants not gonna happen this country's been fucked for years just sit back and wait for the next one there's 2000 being currently monitored.

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by Famous, 24/05, 20:40 @ NORTHLONDONCHELSEA

There's probably more sons of immigrants who post on this board than have killed people in terror attacks in this country, but I take your point. However you're discussing the past - the Westminster attackers father probably came to this country around the same time my grandparents did, for example. The notion that us supporting attacks in countries whose residents will then seek asylum in this country, and then denying that refuge, is going to lead to even more hatred for us, surely?