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Fuck off!
Go and coach some other team into believing they are not good enough to beat the top four.
This is fucking embarrassing to watch.
I want my Chelsea to lose having a fucking go.
This England not Italy.

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[^] He needs to look at himself. He blew it in the first leg semi against a second string Goons defence where he needed to go for it. Again last Sunday if he went for it we could have been out of sight by half time. We look like we are defending a one goal lead.

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Moans about no strikers got 2 on the fucking bench [:1]

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and gets rid of one with a good scoring record.

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Ancellotti?

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I loved that 2010 team.

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Morata for 2 minutes [cr]

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God help us if he’s the answer. Conte is twice the coach Carlo is, IMHO

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You are kidding losing to watford Bournemouth and playing like minnows to keep the score down he can fuck off now.

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You’re judging Conte as a manager based on losing those games?
Remember Ancelotti’s Chelsea getting done 3-0 at home to Sunderland, losing comfortably against Wigan etc.

Conte’s won four League titles in his last four seasons as a manager, second best PL win percentage ever (after Guardiola, who he did the double over last season). Criticise Conte for today by all means but the notion of people behind a keyboard making out they know better than him and that’s he not a top coach is laughable, get a grip. People say it’s the new fans who are spoilt but this board proves it’s often grown men who should know better

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Who said he is not a top coach?

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Have a look at some of the posts this afternoon

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Aren't you fuming with that performance and team selection?

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I hate every time we lose and every game we play shit, and I hate we’re probably not going to finish in the top four now. That doesn’t mean I’m going to start throwing my toys out of the pram though

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How many World Cups have the two won...

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What?

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How many World Cups have England won and how many have Italy won?

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WTF has that got to do with my post?

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I just asked the question.

You’ve said you’d rather lose having a go. I say that’s the attitude of a loser and we all know how the English like a valiant loser.

Conte is a winner, it’s in his blood. I see the likes of him and Mourinho get criticised for that style of football when managers like them have won it all between them in this country.

Criticise him for his errors by all means but your lack of respect for him and insinuation the English way of losing is somehow superior to the way Italian teams set up just makes you look a bit silly IMHO

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Well, as long as you are happy with what was dished up today, and in previous games, of late, that ok.
Got to feel for those that went up there. The club should give them their money back.

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I’m not happy, Conte’s not happy, no Chelsea person is happy with losing today.

I just can’t stand the way the game’s gone where good managers get harshly judged on a handful of games.

We lost 1-0 to a great team and played poorly whilst doing it. Any fan who asks for money back today should probably just stop going to football altogether or maybe get some perspective.

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If we were the likes of Stoke I wouldn’t be so pissed off with that today. But we are not, we are the Champions, with a squad full of winners, who were sent out not to lose the match. If Conte is so afraid of losing then he is not the manager we need to keep up with the top four, none of which go out playing for a draw.
Again, I didn’t say the fans should ask for their money back. I said the club should give it back.

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I didn’t say he was afraid of losing, I said he’s a winner who hates losing. That’s why he’s one of the best managers in the world with the trophies to back it up. Including at our own club last season, against the odds.

The club shouldn’t give the fans their money back for losing 1-0 against a great side, the club should tell us exactly what it is they want.
While everyone’s complaining about Conte not being able to set up a team to compete with City on the pitch, they’re ignoring the fact the club have basically admitted with their recent transfer dealings test they don’t want to compete with City off the pitch.

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The are so great Wigan beat them and kept a clean sheet.

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I don’t think picking one game to prove a point helps your argument, it all just goes to show what I’m trying to say (ie that people are too short-term and knee-jerk nowadays, and that too often balance and perspective goes completely out of the window).
Criticise Conte by all means, he has deserved it quite a few times this season, but this notion that someone who’s done what he’s done in his career doesn’t deserve some more respect and understanding than what some were showing him yesterday is, IMHO, absurd, and a sad reflection of how the game’s gone nowadays. No wonder PL title winning managers barely last the following season anymore.

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Just another point re:Wigan as well, I’m not sure what the argument is there. Wigan played not dissimilar to how we did but got the result due to a combination of factors going in their favour. So I don’t know if you’re saying we should have done what Wigan did, cos that would seem contradictory to everything else you’re saying, but either way their method of beating City was to sit back, try not to concede and hit them on the break, so it could be argued that Conte saw that and thought that a better team playing that way might have actually worked.

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What the fcuk was that. Far too negative.

Hazard wasted as a 9. No striker. Waited far too long to bring a striker on. Then put palmeri a LB on in to the front 3 for Pedro and takes hazard off when we need a goal. Baffling tactics and substitutions.

Can't help but feel conte wants Roman to pull the trigger after watching that.

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And Roman won’t blame himself for creating this situation in the first place, like he never does. Yet another top coach treated like a cunt at this club, Roman and his minions reap what they sow

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That had fuck all to do with Abramovich.
He has given the managers past and present a very strong squad.
Conte was happy to lose one nil.

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Of course it had to do with Abramovich, everything comes back to him at our football club.

I would have taken one-nil personally, better than getting hammered like Spurs and Liverpool did and ruining our goal difference.

Conte is a winner, was as a player and is as a manager. don’t think for one minute he is enjoying this.

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Famous. The voice of reason.

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I know, god help us eh!!

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He has eleven internationals in the starting eleven. Leaves two centre forwards on the bench. Had the team standing still watching the opponents pass the ball to each other as easy as you like.
Then in his interview said we wanted to stop them getting in between the lines.
That was 100% Conte’s doing.
I am only interested in what goes on on the pitch.

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If you only concentrate on what’s on the pitch then you’re ignoring most of the story then.
Conte didn’t ask them to be as poor on the ball as they were when we got it, I’m sure.

I’d have played a striker myself today and I think he got his subs wrong as he has done a few times this season, but don’t forget he played Morata last weekend and the bloke got absolutely crucified.

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He has got a few things wrong this season.
The biggest wrong is publicly complaining your squad is not good enough.
As I said, he has seemingly convinced the players they are not good enough to beat any of the top four.
Setting up not to win a game is just not acceptable.
It is a sure fire way of turning the players against you.
How the fuck do we get Hazard to sign a new contract?

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He wouldn’t have to complain that the squad isn’t good enough if the board did what most other clubs would do (ie City) and just back the manager!
The man who won us the League last season when we had no right to.

He didn’t set up to not win today, to suggest that is utter nonsense. Whether you would have set up differently is a separate argument altogether, I would have set up differently myself, I’m not denying that, but it’s bollocks to suggest Conte didn’t want to win today, of course he did. He just got it wrong unfortunately.

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Bull, he did set up not to win, it was there for all to see.

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So you actually think if someone waved a magic wand before the game and asked him if he could win or lose, he’d have chosen a defeat?
Whether you think he set up the best way to get a win or not does not change the fact that, just like every manager in the world in every football match, he wanted to win. The man’s a winner, the medals back that up.

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We ruined our goal difference against Watford and Bournemouth. Could have played Giroud and lumped it up, at least had a go.

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That might have worked, it might have got us thrashed. Who knows?

Alonso could have put that last shot in the top corner and we’d have got a draw against the so-called best team ever

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Conte, board, players all need to shoulder some blame for that shower of sh1t served up today imo. No one is blameless.

We're the champions of England who needed a win, show some ambition and at least have a go at them!

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I agree with that first bit and said the same on a group WhatsApp earlier, board, manager and players need to all take their share of responsibility for this season.

I’m just annoyed we constantly find ourselves as a club getting in to this same old cycle, when it happens time and time again, you have to look at the one constant...

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Only just got off a flight and sW the result. Negative or not I don't blame him, if we'd gone there open we would have got a whacking.

Never met you but I've seen you post some absolute bollocks on here... you haven't got a clue... I don't care how old you are or how long you've been watching football... if you think there's a better manager out there for us than Conte then you've completely lost the plot.

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You are entitled to your opinion.
I couldn’t give a fuck what you think.

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What was your opinion of him last season? And who could do better with this squad of players if we fuck him off?

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He was great last season, caught everybody by surprise and by the time they realised it was too late for them.
This season he has not changed anything, and has gone drastically backwards.
Continuously complaining. Letting Mourinho get under his skin, when he should have been concentrating on the team.
Not having a plan B.
Continuously playing an average at best left wing back, Alonso, rather than attempt to change tactics.
But much worse than that, was giving in to a City side that got beat by Wigan a couple of weeks ago.
The way we played was totally unacceptable as far as I am concerned.
The top teams have moved up another level, with the attacking football they play, we are being left behind, with the negative approach we have adopted.
Why would the likes of Hazard, Pedro and Willian want to play like that. When they get the ball there is nobody going in front of the ball because our wing backs are do not do that.
Compare them with Walker, Danilo, Trippier, Davies/Rose, Clyne when fit and Robertson. All of them are dangerous going forward.
We need a manager who is not afraid to play offensive rather than negative football.
Anyone who thinks because of what he did last season, that Conte should not come in for stick from the fans, is wrong.
You always seem to have a go at what I say, but you never ever come up with anything constructive to back up why.

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In my opinion Conte is a tactical genius, you talk about him not having a plan B, I think he’s got plans A-Z. The season we had last season was all bad a miracle, because that squad was thin and lacking in leaders, he managed to transition John Terry and dealt with a Diego Costa as well as he could’ve .. a diego Costa who could easily have derailed our title the Friday night before Leicester away.

Conte’s genius is that he plays to the strength of our players, however we failed to back him the way we should’ve, we spent a good sum of money but on the wrong targets.

Conte is a coach, he gets the best out of players, Alonso is one example.. his pursuit of Sandro tells you he recognizes the weakness, we would be a completely different proposition offensively and defensively with him in a he team.

Likewise Kante, we signed a top drawer player, conte improved him even further.. but we should’ve given him the players he wanted... no chance we’d be so far behind this city team if we had Naingollan in midfield instead of Bakayoko...

We have changed our approach and relatively that means we won’t match either Manchester club for spending and we will also face a bigger threat in spurs and Liverpool, I see no manager better tactically who can keep us competitive now we refuse to do decent business in the transfer market.

I like to see us play youth as well but not at the Expense of becoming less competitive, and I’d rather go and play like we did yesterday than go in 0-3 like Arsenal did it worse..

We may be current champions but that team is a shadow of the one with Costa in it and I’d rather go into a game solid with a chance of coming out of it with a 0-1 or a point than going to play football and getting smashed.

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"he managed to transition John Terry and dealt with a Diego Costa as well as he could’ve .. a diego Costa who could easily have derailed our title the Friday night before Leicester away."

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So you can’t name anyone better then? [tea]

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TBH, I couldn’t give a toss, about who the manager would be.
Maybe I would try to tempt Lampard or JT to give it a go, who knows.
What I do know is that I do not want a manager, who has a squad full of international players, in every position, surrendering to the opposition like he did yesterday, in charge of Chelsea.

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You seem to give a toss about slating Conte, but you don’t care if Harry Redknapp were to walk in and give it a go [eh]

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I am 100% justified in slating Conte.

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It’s all about opinions, I think it’s all a bit sad personally

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Must admit I'm starting to question some of things he's doing.

Last season he took on a team with low expectation and void of any European football...he did it very well and was close to bringing 2 trophies home to us. The last part of the season saw us in a struggle to the line after a magnificent run had set us up for the title...much the same as City this season but they have maintained form. The cup final attempt was a mere tired effort...tbh. I was happy with what we had but I did want investment during the summer.

This season...First up Burnley - they do us at home...3 down at HT and we will end the game losing with just 9 men left on the pitch. We bounce back to win at Spurs...Burnley was a blip we say. City do us at home...we bounce back away to Atletico and all is well again. October has been a good month for us...until we face pointless Palace deeply rooted to the foot of the table...we lose. We've also thrown away a 2 goal lead vs Roma in the CL...something that will come back and bite our bum because we're now looking to better Barca away - we rave about Dzeko - who has barely scored since. Roma end the month thumping us 3-0...that was a very poor effort...we made them look like Real Madrid.

November and December arrives...smashing months, just what the doctor ordered...we're back on it.

January....terrible performance in the cup away to lowly Norwich. We live to fight another day though...we see them off via a penalty shoot out. The league cup see's us draw 0-0 at home to Arsenal...not looking too healthy for the second leg...we lose that 2-1 and we're out. We round the month off getting thumped at home to Bournemouth...3-0.

February...oh dear...4-1 defeat at Watford WTF is that all about???...an aggregate of 1-7 in 2 games against BOURNEMOUTH and WATFORD??? Minor recovery made verses bottom of the table WBA and struggling championship side Hull. Fair and decent show vs Barca but it leaves a mountain to climb...TBC. Great first half v United and then for some reason Chelsea stop playing and hand the game to United...we lose valuable points to a close rival for top 4. We fear City now and we go there with a double decker that has the curtains closed...we're not even look out today...we lose. We're like a boxer who backs himself into the corner and covers his upper body with his arms and gloves not offering to punch his opponent back...only one winner can come this and it's not the boxer in defence.

I've not gone into the tactics employed...the false 9 on occasions when we've had fit strikers in Morata, Batshuyi and Giroud. Just yesterday we need a goal and we see the second striker arrive in the 89th minute!!! His moans have also grown tiresome on many...must admit I've stopped listening to him now because he seems angry and vague.

That's not to say I want him out...I just want to see much better from him. I think there's enough there for Roman to sack him though - that is what I expect to happen within the next phase of the season.

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