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migrants arrived last year...the population of Newcastle they say Where will be when more countries join the EU and flood in? Oh my god - I dread to think of this country in 5-10 years time should we stay in. I'm truly scared for future generations. This tiny island is sinking.

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About 2/3 of which is from outside the EU... [tea]

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I can think of one particular migrant from Australia I'd quite like to fck off [eyebrows]

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I can think of several! :-D

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Fair point, ya KOOK :-D

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"Yeah I quite like their new album as it goes" :-D

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Meaning 2/3 were allowed into our country to improve it [^]

It's the rest I worry about.

It's a numbers game.

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To add to that, it's still 330,000 looking to be housed, schooled, cared for, more cars on the road, more people on public transport...etc

The majority will be great people who will improve the country but in turn it puts a huge strain on public services.

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It is 330,000 people we didn't / don't need. I notice that unemployment hasn't fallen by that amount.

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Then the question would be to look at why not on unemployment. Are people going through the education system in this country getting the right skills to equip them for jobs? A lot aren't.

Also, the unemployment number is people who are registered (i.e. getting jobseeker's allowance etc) - Could be higher for those not claiming, but of those claiming, how many of those are 'professionally unemployed' - Plenty of those about too.

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I wonder how many of those can use the apostrophe correctly; use their, there and they're correctly; say done instead of did; or appear every day on the Jeremy Kyle show?

[eh]

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These are people I worry for...people with learning difficulties. Exploited by the likes of Jeremy Kyle.

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EU only net migration is 184,000.

The remaining 146,000 is from outside the EU.

146,000 out of 330,000 is not "about 2/3", it's more like 45%, or 2/3 of the number you gave.

Not like bankers to massage the figures! [tea]

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Was basing it on a total figure I read earlier (which was obviously wrong). Happy to rectify that it's more like a 50/50 split, but most is still non-EU migration and the point remains that the number doesn't change whether significantly (relative to the target the govt set) whether we're in or out of the EU.

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My point remains, we have an extra 330,000 people in. More next year - more the year after and so on. When does it end? how does it end? Will children born today be able to buy their own house when the time comes to graft? Will it only be those in very well paid jobs that can afford such a thing? Do the low paid just get squashed even more? I saw a report today of young couples having to live with mum and dad. A figure that's rising. I wonder why that is, oh yeah we don't have enough affordable homes. Perhaps the EU would like to help us build some more? Nah, thought not.

I watched the debate with Victoria Derbyshire (lovely brave lady) last night and I get the feeling people think if you want to leave you're being in some way racist. That's not the case. A young white girl said she can't get a bungalow for her mum who is in need. Another young Asian girl verbally attacked her looking for a row (imo) and went on to say stuff like her parents helped make this country!!! So bloody touchy!!! Nobody is on about her parents...why bring it up - it's time she (and others) accepted they're British and protected what her parents helped to build.

My time over again, there's no way I would bring a child into this world...not a chance in hell. All I'm doing now is worrying about my grandchildren and what the future has for them. Not too much I fear.

Perhaps I'm just old and stuck in the past. Perhaps I'm wrong. I just can't see how this small country can carry on taking in huge numbers without it breaking. For the life of me I can't.

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Not dismissing your point, just pointing out that in itself it is not caused by being in (or out) of the EU. We have chosen to let half our net migrants in - Why, if there wasn't perceived to be a need? If there is a need, why is that and why can't we source employees from these shores - That's the question I'd be asking, as I imagine they're not all working at McDonalds or Pret.

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If you're taking in 184, 000 you're gonna need to support that so I'd guess many were essential. The more people we have here the more people we need here.

Perhaps with the money saved from the EU subs we can direct the money into the NHS, education, skilled training etc. £10 billion would go a long way to addressing many issues, not all but many.

As I say, where does it end under current rules of 'the doors open, come on in'?

Fcuk me we even cough up child benefit for kids living at home abroad...£31m a year I've seen - Yep 31 million pounds!!!

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Why do we think the EU nationals aren't essential though? Could be argued both ways. Agreed that with an open border policy, you can't control it either way, but the inference that extra EU nationals are a strain on the NHS doesn't necessarily hold out - Don't have the figures to hand, but think I read that most of the NHS' expenditure goes on people over 45 - How likely is that to be the migrants (from anywhere) that we're talking about? Also don't forget the figures showing EU migrants alone contribute £20bn (net) in tax.

I'd repeat the point I was making earlier, namely that I think we're asking a lot of the wrong questions - Why is there a housing shortage (this isn't new), why are there so many UK nationals that are unemployed and what are we doing about that? And a load of etceteras.

What you're raising are valid concerns, but it's simplistic to just pin that on one thing in my view, successive governments have failed this country and I'm not sure the EU is a factor in the way others do.

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If 55% is eu net migration and 45% is migration from outside the eu, how is "most .. still non-EU migration"?

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Because it's not? From the ONS report:

•Net migration of EU citizens was estimated to be 184,000 (compared with 174,000 in YE December 2014; change not statistically significant). Non-EU net migration was 188,000 a similar level compared with the previous year (194,000).

I make that a 49% EU 51% non EU split.

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Did you not question that the numbers you're using, 184,000 added to 188,000, don't even add up to 330,000 that utc mentioned?

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Yes, which is why I then looked at the report itself to get the actual numbers and non EU > EU as I said.

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The numbers you're now using simply make utcs case stronger, as you're increasing the 330,000 by 15%!

And there's no need to come out with "as I said", especially as you were so wrong with your numbers. You're 2/3 has come down somewhat!

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UTC said 330, not me. I then went to the actual report to get my numbers, yo disagree with those too?

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Quite probably because the BBC is reporting 330,000.

You went to the report after I showed you up for making up numbers. It's clearly nowhere near 2/3.

I disagreed then, and I disagree now that the figure is 2/3.

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I'd seen the number for non EU and this 330 total, that's how I got to about 2/3, so not making it up, but the total is more like 370 which I saw when I checked it after.

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and that's what there allowing us to know!

the government have recently been found out cooking the migration figures - 300k come in but 700k registered for national insurance numbers. [eh]

So much for call me Dave for bringing numbers down to 10,000, laughable!

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I think Boris covered part of that... "was not only a "mistake" but "cynical", because it could not be fulfilled while the UK was in the EU"

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He knows all about lies and distorting the truth for political gain [wink]

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I'm not a fan of him :-D

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Short term immigration is now at 1.2 million!

630,000 national insurance registrations up to march by EU nationals, 195,000 registrations by non EU nationals.

It's all looking good apparently!

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it makes no sense to me.

How can governments plan budgets for schools/hospital/housing in advance when they don't have a clue wether 100k or 1m+ people are coming into the country each year.

it's crazy how people can try to justify uncontrolled migration.

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